HeyJaredThinking the Unthinkable with Nik Gowing
Welcome to the Thinking the Unthinkable podcast, hosted by BAFTA award-winning former BBC broadcaster Nik Gowing. In a world of rapid disruption and deep uncertainty, we bring you bold conversations with visionary leaders, innovators, and change-makers.
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Facing Unthinkables: The Urgent Need to Confront New Extremes with David Shukman (opens the original)
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Can we successfully adapt to a changing climate before disaster strikes? David Shukman warns that "this is happening with a speed and on a scale that no one is ready for." David Shukman, former BBC Science Editor and author of The Responses, joins Nik Gowing for a direct, unvarnished conversation on Thinking the Unthinkable. David outlines how "the phrase global warming... masks a violence, a kind of malevolence" as heatwaves, flash flooding, and wildfires push infrastructure to its breaking poi
A Tough Gig: But 100,000 Directors Won't Back Down on Climate with Julie Baddeley (opens the original)
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The positive direction of travel must be recognised and celebrated. Julie Baddeley, Chair of the Chapter Zero Alliance, returns to Thinking the Unthinkable to catch up with Nik Gowing. Since Chapter Zero launched in 2019, the movement has grown from a handful of UK board members into a global alliance of 100,000 directors across 34 chapters in 73 countries. Julie says the shift is from awareness to “real understanding and real ambition. Boards and leaders increasingly see both the risks and the
The Business Case For Energy Transition Has Never Been Stronger ...So Why Is it Not Sticking? (opens the original)
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Why does sustainability still sometimes sound like a cost when the business case for it is becoming increasingly clear? Sally Uren, Chief Acceleration Officer at Forum for the Future and its former CEO, joins Nik Gowing to explore why sustainability is increasingly creating commercial value and why the wider story is still struggling to keep up. “The business case has never been stronger.” Sally explains how sustainability can reduce operating costs, improve access to finance, attract and retain
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