HeyJaredThe Twenty One Clear Podcast
The benefits of working with family include mutual trust, a shared long-term outlook, and quick decision making.
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The Company and Your Inner-Family Business: Norm Smallwood interviews Adam Hatcher (opens the original)
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The script flips. After two episodes of Adam interviewing Norm Smallwood — co-founder of The RBL Group and Adam's collaborator in restructuring his own family's company — Norm turns the tables and interviews Adam. They cover why Adam started Twenty One Clear, the inner family business hiding inside every family company, why succession is nothing like a baton handoff, and the two words Adam gives every family that works together: Do Not Drift. The episode closes with an impromptu case study from
Four Stages of Leadership - Part 2: Stage 4 and the Stages' Importance (opens the original)
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Part two of Adam's conversation with Norm Smallwood, co-founder of The RBL Group, picking up where Episode 12 left off. Norm and Adam move into stage four, otherwise known as "power", of Norm's four-stage leadership model. They then work through what it costs a family business when people are operating below the stage their role requires, why self-diagnosis of your own stage almost never works, and what it looks like to build a great career and a great company without ever needing to become stag
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