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The Starfish and the Church podcast is a mix of interviews and storytelling where hosts Rob Wegner and Lance Ford explore a paradigm shift away from modern, hierarchical structures of leadership to a radical Jesus-centered, starfish approach.
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How Did We Get Here? Part 2: What If the Operating System Is the Problem? (opens the original)
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In Part One, Todd Wilson and I traced the surprising 70-year journey of the Church Growth Movement from Donald McGavran’s missionary vision of gospel saturation and people movements to the consumer-driven, attractional system many churches inherited. In Part Two, we ask the harder question: What if the problem isn’t simply our model, but the operating system underneath it? Todd shares the moment when he realized that a church could become remarkably effective at organizational growth without nec
How Did We Get Here? The 70-Year Church Growth Story Didn’t Start Where You Think (A Conversation with Todd Wilson - Part 1) (opens the original)
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What if the modern Church Growth Movement didn’t actually begin with megachurches, seeker-sensitive services, multisite campuses, or the familiar scoreboard of bodies, buildings, and budgets? In Part One of this conversation, I sit down with my friend Todd Wilson, founder of Exponential and author of How Did We Get Here? , to trace the surprising 70-year journey of the Church Growth Movement. Todd went back to Donald McGavran, generally considered its father, and discovered something that refram
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