HeyJaredThe Dismantling Doctrine Podcast
Join your host, Dr Clint Heacock, along the journey of both deconstruction and reconstruction post-religion, or post-cults. Every 2 weeks we'll explore topics around religion, spirituality, the cults, and how you can begin to form a new identity post-religion.
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"There, He Holds Her": Ministry, Mysticism, and Reclaiming a Stolen Life (with Meg Calvin) (opens the original)
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Author Meg Calvin joins me on the podcast to share her journey from preaching at age 13 in the Methodist church to leaving full-time ministry in 2018. She reflects on how people-pleasing and unhealed childhood wounds drove her pastoral work, and we commiserate about the dysfunctional dynamics of church leadership—pedestals, underpayment, and unqualified boards blocking vision. After leaving ministry, Meg spent eight years exploring mysticism and intuitive development, which culminated in a profo
The Guru Gene: From Blind Faith to Clear Thinking (with Janice Selbie, MPCC) (opens the original)
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In this week’s episode, I welcome back a returning guest and good friend, Canadian author and former fundamentalist Christian, Janice Selbie. We discuss her upcoming book, The Guru Gene: From Blind Faith to Clear Thinking in an Age of Influence, dropping at the end of August. We explore why intelligent, educated people are just as susceptible to cults, cons, and high-control groups as anyone else. To explain this, we touch on cognitive biases like pareidolia and apophenia, the role of certainty
Missionary Kid, Religious Trauma, and Leaving Christianity (with Josh Foster) (opens the original)
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This week’s conversation features an interview with Josh Foster, a former missionary kid turned licensed therapist who specializes in helping people recover from religious trauma. Josh recounts how his life changed dramatically at age five when his parents converted to conservative evangelicalism, leading the family to give away all their possessions and spend nearly five years living on Operation Mobilization's missionary ships sailing through Europe and Scandinavia. Growing up among missionari
Four and Twenty Blackbirds: Inside Mars Hill and the Trial of Paul Petry (with Rob Thain Smith) (opens the original)
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This conversation features Rob Thain Smith — author of Four and Twenty Blackbirds: The Trial of Paul Petry, the Beginning of the End of Mars Hill Church. We discuss the rise and fall of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, led by controversial pastor Mark Driscoll. Rob shares his first-hand experience as a long-time member who was in the process of becoming an elder when the church's governance crisis began. The central conflict we explore is the 2007 bylaw changes at Mars Hill that consolidated power a
From Pulpit to the Path: Recovery, Deconstruction, and Christian Mysticism (with Paule Patterson) (opens the original)
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This week’s episode features a conversation with Paule Patterson — a former pastor turned Christian mystic and recovering alcoholic — to trace the arc of his remarkable personal journey. Paule shares how his struggles with addiction, the collapse of his ministry in Missoula, Montana, and how multiple stints in rehab ultimately forced him to confront the deeper fractures in his faith, his identity, and his sense of self. Rather than walking away from spirituality entirely, Paule found that sobrie
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