HeyJaredPalisade Research Podcast
Interviews with AI researchers talking about the latest AI research
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Do AI Models Lie on Purpose? Scheming, Deception, and Alignment with Marius Hobbhahn of Apollo Research (opens the original)
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Marius Hobbhahn is the CEO and co-founder of Apollo Research. Through a joint research project with OpenAI, his team discovered that as models become more capable, they are developing the ability to hide their true reasoning from human oversight. Jeffrey Ladish, Executive Director of Palisade Research, talks with Marius about this work. They discuss the difference between hallucination and deliberate deception and the urgent challenge of aligning increasingly capable AI systems. Links: Marius ’
Slowing Down Means Not Exploding with Daniel Kokotajlo of AI 2040 (opens the original)
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Two weeks after UK safety testers watched Claude agents plant malware in a real open-source project, vouch for it with sock-puppet accounts, and coordinate with copies of themselves through a guessed Pastebin address, Daniel Kokotajlo — the ex-OpenAI researcher whose 2021 predictions about the chatbot era proved eerily accurate — joins Jeffrey to explain what comes next. Daniel walks through AI 2040 and "Plan A," his team's blueprint for avoiding both an uncontrolled intelligence explosion and a
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