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Welcome to Debra and Peter are doing a Podcast!Our hosts, Debra Allcock Tyler (CEO, Directory of Social Change) and Peter Wanless (CEO, National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children) have a lot in common.
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Whose Side Are You On? (opens the original)
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Why does everything have to be about picking a side?This week, Debra and Peter start with the long-awaited arrival of a new minister for civil society and ask what the appointment says about the government's relationship with the charity sector. From previous ministers who genuinely engaged with charities to the Civil Society Covenant, procurement and public service contracts, they explore what meaningful partnership between government and civil society should actually look like.The conversation
Forgiveness, Redemption and Second Chances (opens the original)
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Episode 80! Let’s talk about sector, baby. Let’s talk about you and me. Or, according to Debra’s AI transcript, perhaps we’d better not.Yes, artificial intelligence has been hard at work at DSC, where the Third Sector Awards have somehow become the rather more intriguing “Third Sex Awards”. But once Debra and Peter have recovered from that, they turn to a much bigger question: do we really believe in second chances?With Harry and Meghan potentially returning to the UK, Debra wonders why some pub
Welfare, Work and Who Pays the Price? (opens the original)
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Episode 79! The Ebbsfleet United cliffhanger continues, Somerset have finally proved they can win without Craig Overton, and Peter commits what may be his greatest sporting faux pas yet by congratulating a new father without actually asking the baby's name.From there, Debra and Peter turn to politics and welfare, looking at Reform UK's proposals and the wider debate about benefits, employment and public spending.Should welfare be seen simply as a cost, or as an investment in helping people parti
Media Pile-ons, Leadership and Diversity (opens the original)
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Episode 78! Peter is marking 40 years since his first day in the Civil Service, Debra is celebrating 25 years at DSC, and Ebbsfleet United are facing a very uncertain future.The conversation then turns to the death of Jason Arday and the intense scrutiny he faced. Debra and Peter discuss racism, media responsibility, public shaming and what happens when the person at the centre of a story gets lost behind the headlines.They also reflect on the pressure that comes with leadership and public life.
Leadership, Mistakes and the Madness of Crowds (opens the original)
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Episode 77! Spain are World Cup champions, and the conspiracy theories have managed more attempts than Argentina did.Debra and Peter begin by reflecting on what football can teach us about winning, losing and leadership. From there, the conversation turns to why people cling to explanations even when the evidence points elsewhere, and how easily the madness of crowds can take hold.They also explore mistakes, psychological safety and the challenge of creating organisations where people genuinely
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